So a while ago a played a really long game as Dragon Knight. Overall, I had 19 assists (according to dotabuff.com). I think someone should have been letting me carry DK and not stealing my kills...Any thoughts?

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I think yes, you should have had more kills. This is coming from me only looking on dotabuff btw. What I'm noticing is that you have minimal damage. A baby crit helps with some damage and an AC helps with attack speed, but beyond that you don't really do much. Compared to the WR that had orchid, sheep, linkens, force, and mkb; you do 0 damage.

Really the basis I think of why you don't have farm is because you died too much early and mid and lost farm. Then when heroes like WR who (own the mid-game) start getting kills, well they snowball. The fact that you didn't get kills stacked on you is a good thing in this case. DK would still need a ton more in the way of damage to become that hard carry that he really can be. WR was already winning in the early to mid game so why stop her.

I can remember a DK game where I ended up getting focused WAY too much in the early and mid game. I couldn't get the farm so I altered my build a bit. I built for tanky and not DPS getting items like heart, bkb, and armlet over things like crit and AC. Sure I was the first person to die every fight, but I was the ONLY one to die and sometimes sacking a carry (for primary farm) when a semi-carry is getting crazy farm is just what you have to do to end up winning. SurDe my scoreboard wasn't the best thing to see (frankly without context it looks pretty similar to yours except a bit higher on the A and a lot higher on the D), but because they needed to use their everything just to take me out and prevent dragon slow/splash all over their team just to come out alive.

Again most of this is speculation. It is just based on what I see on dotabuff. I could check out the replay if you would like some further analysis.

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I was the Windrunner this game and Lemonstre has it mostly correct. Your other 4 teammates had pretty strong mid game synergy and we started to pressure them and give you room for farm. However to be frank you were not finding enough as a carry. When late game rolled around you were not hitting hard enough compared to their carries and would end up being beat in fights. However, with dragon breath and your ult cleave you were able to put damage on all of the heroes. It then happened that Visage and I would finish off what we could. If you look we both had less deaths than you because we were able to survive teamfights.

I guess my insight would be, as a carry in an 1:13:00 minute game you should have more than 180 last hits, especially when given room to farm up the mid game which we were giving you. I mean no offense to your play or anything, I think that you may have queued up a bit above what you normally play at which can lead to some stressful carrying if the other team is good about shutting you down (which they were). That is my 2 cents from what I remember of the match, if you want to sit down and go through the replay I can try to talk you through some of the game and what could have changed those numbers.

Fair points. Skyop, as a carry, you should be aiming for about 50 cs every 10 minutes. In the mid game this should be continued with kills and assists added in. In a 70 minute game, you should be aiming for around 450-500 cs. 180 is about 2-3 creeps per minute. Looking at Dotabuff, both of their carries had a lot more farm than you, as did 2 out of the 3 heroes on your team. You have 2 great farming tools (breath and ulti) so you should have had someone (or yourself) stack ancients to help you catch up on farm.

I agree with all of the above.

Id just like to add something though. Would you rather the enemy team being killed or not killed at all. I know it sucks sometimes that you arent getting gobs of gold but looking at it this way. The enemy is getting even less than you and you are still getting way more than them! Assists still give alot of gold and you get the XP too which is amazing especially for a hero like DK

Now what was happening was a lot of "Kill Secured" moments then you should be a bit angry

Thanks for the insight. It was my first time really playing carry as DK. Just a couple questions, when lemon said baby crit, is that referring to an item? And I am assuming that the 50 cs is last hits but correct me if I'm wrong. We should start an acronym thread...

yeah baby crit is the crystalis (spelling probably wrong which is why I call it it baby crit for short )

CS means creep score so yeah its last hits

Yeah 50 last hits every 10 minutes is what you should shoot for, as the game goes on and you get more and more items you can expect it to be more which is a good thing!